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[Opinion] RE: By the numbers: P1 4G vs Yes 4G

This post is my personal opinion in response to an article called “By the numbers: P1 4G vs Yes 4G” published by SoyaCincau over here. I am writing this post to educate the writer behind that blog.

Let’s talk about Packet One(P1) and WiMAX. P1 is probably the only WiMAX operator in the region to be appointed as a board member in the WiMAX Forum. It is only over 2 years old and P1 is well known in the telecommunication space, specifically the WiMAX industry. Not to forget that and Korea’s SK Telecom invested in them and Intel too Intel RM50 million. P1 even rolled out the free Wireless KL hotspot backed by the Malaysia Government back in 2008.

Not only that, over 60 operators from 55 countries around the world visited P1 to learn more about WiMAX technology. That makes us Malaysian proud.

As a WiMAX operator, it is practical for the CEO of P1 to say that it will “live and die with WiMAX” and it is true back then that LTE is late to evolve because that was in 2008-2010! The first commercial LTE network was only launched in late 2009 and only now LTE is starting out to take off.

Now let’s talk about YTL. What has YTL Communication achieved so far?  Let’s not forget that YTL was awarded the WiMAX license in 2007 but it only launched a commercial service towards the end of 2010. Spectrum is a precious national resource and it is as important as water and electricity. And guess what, no fees was paid for that YTL WiMAX license.

On top of that, YTL caused confusion in the market about 4G and WiMAX back then when there’s no finalised standard for 4G, even until today.

YTL also said that it has spectrum in the 700Mhz, but went quite after the Government said NO. It was very embarrassing and I don’t feel proud at all.

YTL vs P1 in the WiMAX space? P1 gets full points, YTL YES 4G gets zero point because it did not nothing for WiMAX nor make this nation proud. Although the Malaysian government ruled that all WiMAX telcos must start utilizing the spectrum and launch the WiMAX service in 2008, YTL did nothing much with the spectrum and had gone to waste in the last 3 years or so.

Why P1 is upgrading to LTE-TDD?

It is a simple answer.  Which operator doesn’t want to have the latest technology out there for its customers? Maybe YTL is going stick to its self claimed 4G WiMAX technology forever.

Plus P1 did not say that it is shutting down WiMAX completely. P1 has said that it will combine LTE and WIMAX in its network(20Mhz for LTE, 10Mhz for WiMAX). Maybe this SoyaCincau should step back for a while and read the press release properly before getting too excited about this. Toyota is not stopping production of its current cars just because it is producing hybrid cars.  Dear SoyaCincau, get you facts right please.

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Now let’s talk about P1 vs YTL. First of all, P1 built its WiMAX network for the home users and YTL built its “4G” WiMAX network for mobility. SoyaCincau has compared Yes 4G & P1, similarly, how do you compare Streamyx with a mobile broadband service such as from DiGi, Maxis, and Celcom? (Dear Soyacincau, please contact me if you need some education on this matter, I can consult you free of charge).

P1 does offer devices for users on the go but it never branded it self as a mobile service provider. There is a big difference between a wireless service and a mobile service. (Again, call me if you need to be educated on this topic, SoyaCincau).

If the 65% YES 4G coverage is to be considered true, then YTL does have a better coverage compared to P1. And that is exactly what a mobile service should have. But then again, P1 does not offer a mobile service at this point of time.

On top of that, I personally feel that the utility model(pay-per-use) by YES4G is not “consumer friendly” and it doesn’t seem to work because the operator(YTL) later offered Valuepack packages. YTL shouted about how the utility model will change the way people are charged for broadband, but then why offer new packages now?

At the end of the day

I don’t want to write further because the whole comparison is wrong and it will only make it look like I am totally supporting P1(I can talk about slow P1 broadband speed and the lack of proper coverage but I will keep that for another day).

The person behind this article is a very good writer but he doesn’t understand the things that he is talking about. Now I wonder how did he(Soyacincau) land a job at P1(corporate communications)?

By the way, if you look at the article, SoyaCincau said that P1 doesn’t have a mobile number. P1 does have a mobile number, in fact it was the only operator that I know managed to do interconnection with all operators within a short time period(usually take years). Maybe YES 4G wants to disclose the operators that it hasn’t made interconnection with? If you look back, YES 4G 018 services was launched without full interconnection with our telcos.

So in that respect and based on our own user experience, we feel that Yes is the better 4G operator. In fact, when it comes to mobile data, Yes probably is one of the best service providers out there.

Not bad for a brand that’s not even six months old.

Mr. SoyaCincau should really disclose about where he works instead of hiding behind this name. Or maybe he is just too shy?

At the end of the day, how can you credit a writer which is not credible, dare attend media launches, talk bad about other companies but dare not reveal his real name on his blog?

I look forward to see how far would SoyaCincau go to damage the name of P1 and the industry.

 

P.s: Dear P1(Corporate Communication Department), hope to get a response from you on this matter

 

About Kugan

Kugan is the founder of MalaysianWireless. He has been observing the mobile industry since 2006. Connect with him on Twitter: @scamboy
  • Chungming

    WAKAKAKA… SHOT KAU KAU….

  • http://twitter.com/ebernie Bernie Eng

    An eye opener :)

  • http://twitter.com/ebernie Bernie Eng

    An eye opener :)

  • http://twitter.com/techknew Benjamin

    good!

  • http://nonacapsa.blogspot.com/ Nonacapsa

    Very Interesting :)

  • VOF

    I personal read soyacincau and this blog. Personal I think it is more important to educate for consumer for 4G rather to compare. The aim should be reduce the broadband cost, voice cost, sms cost where beneficial to us. Finally I really hope for fast internet, wide coverage with one account for voice, sms, broadband, house phone with one flexible account.

  • http://outdatedpenanguncle.blogspot.com/ ahsiang

    I don’t want to potong because all potong has cap.

  • longesthose

    Hah, and we are back on the superfluous Yes hate-mongering!

    Although today’s article is a little confusing. Usually you use your blog as a cover to attack Yes. Now you’re using your attack of Yes as a cover to attack Soya Cincau? In any case, I used to come here for the news and opinions, now I come to question whenever your articles get sufficiently ridiculous.

    “…YTL caused confusion in the market about 4G and WiMAX back then when there’s no finalised standard for 4G, even until today.”

    This was a quote I particularly enjoyed. Doesn’t everyone already know that 4G is a fuzzy term that precludes definition? There has always been confusion. Foreign carriers created it and still contribute to it today. I don’t quite understand how you can say all of the confusion in the market about what 4G is was caused by YTL.

    “YTL did nothing to make the nation proud”

    Subjective, for one. But I guess their aspirations to connect the entire country are both a) undeserving, and b) due a shellacking from you, since after all, this should have been achieved within 6 months surely.

    “On top of that, I personally feel that the utility model(pay-per-use) by YES4G is not “consumer friendly” and it doesn’t seem to work because the operator(YTL) later offered Valuepack packages. YTL shouted about how the utility model will change the way people are charged for broadband, but then why offer new packages now?”

    Fantastic paragraph. I feel that method X doesn’t work and then YTL changes to method Y which is better and now I am angry about that.

    “At the end of the day, how can you credit a writer which is not credible, dare attend media launches, talk bad about other companies but dare not reveal his real name on his blog?”

    I guess we’ll see how much credit we should give you shortly, since my last three or four comments on your articles have been flat out deleted from your blog.

  • http://www.facebook.com/naqibibrahim Naqib Ibrahim

    u really hate soyacincau that much LOL
    i read both blogs, if u update more often than him, then u r my choice

    • Anonymous

      Agreed seems like soya cincau step on Scam boy tail

  • http://www.facebook.com/naqibibrahim Naqib Ibrahim

    u really hate soyacincau that much LOL
    i read both blogs, if u update more often than him, then u r my choice

  • YK

    Why I find that Malaysianwireless is full of hatred against soyacincau? I read the article and I don’t think they have any hatred as portrayed by you against P1 4G. They actually cover a fair bit on both Yes 4G and P1 4G.

    Your arguments is severely flawed as well. How can you blame Yes for 4G confusion when P1 rebranded P1 4G themselves?

    You said that P1 has mobile number? Where is it? Their voice services are local number starting with 03 in KL. Again another false argument.

    I’m surprise you are fine with P1 not being mobile. Maxis, DiGi and Celcom can support mobile connectivity but until now P1 can’t do it. However Yes 4G is able to stay mobile just like Maxis 3G. Are you saying it is OK for P1 not to support mobility?

    • Lc Ken

      y not? home is still a big market to tackle

      • Jacobs cream crackers!

        there are limitations to wireless technology where it is subseptible to losses in signal strength due to the environment. a radio signal needs to penetrate thru walls, trees etc and thus, the effective coverage area of a base station is reduced, what more on the 2.4G frequency.
        also, it is not able to deliver speeds better than a wired network especially fibre optics network.
        stability of wired networks also is better than a wireless network.

        the only advantage a wireless network has over wired network is its mobility, so kugan, u tell me, if it is logical to compare P1 (since u claim it is for home users) to fixed broadbands such as maxis hsbb or unifi (since it is for home users)?

        yes and p1 are both on wimax so isnt it logical to compare? or is it more logical to compare p1 to unifi.

        as for the rest of your points, i read soyacincau and i feel that that article sees it from the consumer point of view.

        we dont care if yes holds on to the spectrum for 3 years bla bla bla. at the end of the day we want to know what delivers the best value for what we want. some people want speed at the expense of cost, while some just want to download alot at a cheap price.

        • Jo Jo

          I give you 10 reasons why P1 is better. Since I think you don’t have enough brain mass to comprehend wireless, I give you 1 reason. The main use of WiMAX is through laptop because people want to be free from wire. I ask you one simple question. Which wimax operator offers Wimax Inside notebook and is fully supported by Intel? You know the answer that is why P1 is the leading wimax company in Asia. Anyone who think otherwise is severely mistaken.

    • Darrell Wong

      I found something not right on the mobile number claiming, the mobile number is a part of the numbering spectrum that granted or awarded by govt. P1 definitely have no right to utilise any number services due to non licenses to running the services. P1 cannot simply to have any number without govt approval or grant. Interconnecting to other telcos is not a problem if you have allocation of particular range of numbers, where similar to MVNO service providers, you will be able to do the interconnection (like U mobile last time). Interconnect is not difficult and is a policy for all telcos to fulfilled requirement by connecting each others. No telcos was allow to decline interconnect with them.
      YES can have mobile numbers service because they granted allocation numbers from govt. If you are smart enough, you will notice YES own 018 starting by 5 and 011 eight digit number. So, we should be more aware on this rather than mis-claiming on interconnecting…. that’s a silly thinking and putting blame on interconnecting.

      Thank you.

  • Rinin_farina

    I’ve been following this blog quite some time already. I’m working in company in charge of building YTL YES 4G network. What I can say is, majority of YES 4G base stations still havent undergo complete test (compilation of test to determine whether the network at that area fulfill certain criteria). So I think its not right to make comparison between P1 & YTL yet… Go ahead and get a YTL YES product and test it for yourself. If you’re lucky, you might enjoy a good service, if not, you’ll end up getting dissapointed.

  • Truth78

    Hi Scamboy! Great post on the expose! I have been a long reader of yours.

    We need more content like this from you. You indeed help to promote the telco industry particularly P1. Not too long ago, I remembered you posted about YTL and P1 are not 4G.

    Now I find it that you have been very fair to exclude P1 for being misleading the public about 4G technology. You are absolutely right when you mention YTL should take the blame for confusing the public about 4G technology. I support this as YTL has no right because they are not part of Wimax forum.

    I agree you shouldn’t compare P1 and Yes. P1 as they started long time ago has a strong, wider and faster network. I don’t think P1, a respectable company is willing to lower their standard to show off their better coverage and faster download speeds to Yes. P1 is not childish and it is undisputably faster than Yes any time any where any where!!!!

    Good effort and keep it up. I hope P1 will extend their advertisement like how they advertised on your site last month. You truly deserve it for the hard work for telling the truths.

    We need people like you to help build the industry and support brands like P1. A true homegrown 100% Malaysian 4G player unlike those who only talk bad about other people weaknesses. If they think it is so easy, ask them to set up their own ISP and see whether they can survive.

    • Yeehong89

      no wonder this site is so pro-P1, this is just to get P1 to continue advertise in the site… shame on the author!!!

      • Jo Jo

        Please do not be jealous. P1 only selects the top bloggers for advertisement. Do you know that Malaysianwireless is the number 1 telco blog? He is the most credible and fair telco blogger which is highly recognised in the industry. That is why soyacincau does not attract sponsors and advertisers as much as MalaysianWireless. That is why soyacincau always attack Malaysianwireless out of jealousy.

  • Steven Goh Thuan Yung

    soyacincau is on my Chrome’s bookmark for a year plus while malaysianwireless never saved in my bookmark. End of my story.

    • http://malaysianwireless.com/ Kugan

      Why visit this site at 1st place, and you even commented?

      I can help to block you…….. if you want?

  • Bony

    Bro, soyacincau had responded at their website.

    • http://malaysianwireless.com/ Kugan

      Hi Bony,

      Thanks, I’m aware of it.

  • http://twitter.com/priateruna pria teruna

    nothing to say…P1 not fullfill my need…

  • Techfan

    This is by far the best and most positive blog I’ve ever read. I’m gonna visit this site every day for tech updates now instead of soyacincau

    • Jo Jo

      You better visit MalaysianWireless every day. It’s dope! MalaysianWireless even won the National Press Club award for New Media Award of the Year last year from the Prime Minister himself! This is more than enough to prove his worth as a credible blogger.

      Blogger Kugan Kathegesen was given the NPC-TM New Media Award for adding value to traditional media.

      • longesthose

        haha who the hell are you jo jo and why is your tongue so far up kugan’s ring piece

  • Celestion_dine

    You need to be educated first people trying to educate others.

  • Celestion_dine

    You need to be educated first people trying to educate others.

  • Ouafdoufeaheafi

    Kugan you are a idiotic person!I personally think that your are totally bias!how can you be a good writer when you are basically criticizing ytl every damn day!it is so fucking obvious that u are jealous of soya cincau and therefore are totally against it!

  • Ouafdoufeaheafi

    Kugan you are a idiotic person!I personally think that your are totally bias!how can you be a good writer when you are basically criticizing ytl every damn day!it is so fucking obvious that u are jealous of soya cincau and therefore are totally against it!

  • Anonymous

    woaaah….KENA. hahaha. These articles should be written more…very informative.

  • aiman mazlan

    i use both p1 n yes…yes is BETTER but way 2 expensive so i only use it for work related and use p1 for downloading n loading moviesss

  • informed

    You’ve said that:
    “On top of that, YTL caused confusion in the market about 4G and WiMAX back then when there’s no finalized standard for 4G, even until today.”

    IMT-A as specified in 2009 is the general and accepted standard requirement for 4G.

    Forerunners of IMT-A by ITU can and is considered 4G as per statement by ITU on December 2010.

    Lets not get to pointing fingers, but doesn’t it seem the you flaunt the very flaws you find in SoyaCincau.

    Oh, touché

    • http://malaysianwireless.com/ Kugan

      Maybe you forget to take a take a look at the date of this article…

      You see the date? Good.

      ITU never said WiMAX is 4G…but may be marketed as 4G…read this article too- http://www.malaysianwireless.com/2010/12/itu-4g-marketing-term/

      • Informal

        The date in the article is May 2011.WRS-10, held on December 2010 was when ITU accepted the term 4G for certain technologies which include WiMaX and LTE.Perhaps you’d like to check your own dates ;)Nevertheless, with all ‘generational’ categorization, there’s usually no well-defined and widely-accepted epoch for the demarcation between generations.We’re in transition between generations; it’s a period of consolidating rather than definitive standards.As such, definitions and the like are finicky and best. Hence, let’s try to keep the misinformation at a minimum, especially with regard to making certain sweeping statements you’re so fond of, hmm? 

        • http://malaysianwireless.com/ Kugan

          In that case, why not tell Yes4G to drop the word 4G and stop confusing people.

          P.s- I’m aware of the date. Needed your second reply so I can record your IP and cookies. Thanks

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